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(Randi James) http://www.randijames.com/2009/04/whos-gonna-murder-family.html
I’d say that the following article is overall decent, but I’d like to point out a few things. My commentary is in blue.
(emphasis mine)
Experts eye murder-suicide perpetrators’ traits
BY CAROL POLSKY | carol.polsky@newsday.com
Vengeful ex-employees, abusive husbands or boyfriends angry over a separation, financially strapped and overwhelmed providers, depressed fathers, psychotic mothers: When do they cross a line, as only a very few do, and kill their families and themselves?
I want you to notice the adjectives describing fathers, and the adjective describing mothers. I’ll wait while you re-read it…Matter of fact. I want you to comment on the article so I can see if you picked up on it.
Police in Baltimore County say the deaths of a Garden City family, discovered in a hotel room Monday, were a case of murder-suicide. But they have not released details about who they believe was the killer.
They release the details about everything else. What’s the problem? I have noticed a trend in the past 7 days of NOT reporting the killer in the original news articles.
Psychologists, sociologists and criminologists can only provide general descriptions of personality traits that often emerge in cases of what is called familicide or family annihilation.
Understand that: General. These professionals cannot predict anything. They do what you and I can do, look at and gather information. You know who else can provide "general descriptions of personality traits"? Astrologists.
The Washington, D.C.- based Violence Policy Center reports that in cases of murder-suicide, 95 percent are committed by men.
Read: Not Too Responsible Fatherhood: Blaming, Shaming, and Gaming
Louis Schlesinger, forensic psychology professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, said there were two different types of familicidal offenders.
Remember that this is not fact, but perhaps a damn good explanation. (Read Marcella’s Stop It Before It Starts: Part 1 Domestic Violence)
One takes a proprietorial view of his wife, gets angry, and attacks her and everyone around her. The second type is "the despondent male," who feels he must kill his family and himself to spare them the humiliation or pain of what life will bring, Schlesinger said.
I want to know, are psychologists making these assessments after the women and children are already dead? Because it would help to know if a man had this view long before the murders. I think a good time would be…during family court. But you see the problem is, the men actually PASS the psych exams, and the women do not. (Read Custody Evaluations on RightsforMothers)
Why? Because psych tests, like many other things, are written with a certain group in mind, therefore automatically biased against anyone who isn’t in the "in" group. Understand it akin to standardized testing and IQ testing on people of color.
"It’s not rational, it’s not reasonable," he said. "If he tries to kill himself and survives, he views the [slain] family with sympathy. . . . He feels tremendous regret."
What does he regret though? Killing? Failing? Or the repercussions? There is a big fucking difference.
Some experts say they foresee an increase in such cases in financially stressful times, although studies show suicides generally decrease in such circumstances.
So, when people are stressed out, they are more prone to take out other people? And when they are not financially strapped, they mostly just kill themselves? Hmmm.
But Jack Levin, a sociologist and criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston, said there is almost always a "catastrophic loss that precedes a family annihilation."
Triggers can be a loss of a job, money, a relationship or a loved one. Often, he said, there is a feeling of isolation.
If these murderous men feel isolated, is the solution to reward them with access to their former spouses and children? To keep the marriage together? So, let me get this: Marriage initiatives and shared parenting presumptions were created to benefit men? (To keep them from "suiciding" as they would say in Australia) Oh, yeah, duh!!
"Most family annihilators, and typically it’s the husband and father, have been frustrated and depressed over a long period of time," he said. "But they, unlike other depressed individuals, blame everybody else for their miseries.”
Dingdingding, key words in red. But I’m not understanding. I thought depressed persons blamed themselves. Period. So how can family annihilators/murderous husbands and fathers be depressed and yet they are blaming everyone else? Wouldn’t that NOT fit into the depression category? Maybe more like psychopaths or something else?
From: Australian Family australianfamilymovement@yahoo.com.au
To: fathers4equality@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 27 December, 2008 6:16:28 PM
Subject: [fathers4equality] Bruce Pardo, hero
Here’s a toast to Bruce Pardo. He was a man.
Many will speak badly of him.
A few will say that he was a victim.
All will say that it was an unfortunate situation.
But he was obviously a man who would not submit to injustice.
His actions bespeak a man who thought about his actions, who had things well planned including a "plan B" which eventuated with his suicide.
Bruce Pardo, you were a Man.
I salute you and raise my glass at your courage and honesty.
Hail, your Spirit, Bruce. May it energize others in your situation.
Goodbye, brother.
Again, why aren’t psychologists catching these things BEFORE the murders?
Or, he said, in cases when the man may be described as a dedicated husband and devoted father, the motive may be "a perverted sense of altruism that they’d be better off dead than live in this miserable existence."
Well, he should have asked them first, like in the case of the Amador family in Miami. One of the slain daughters had told a friend that her father had been sexually abusing her for years. When Mr. Amador murdered the family, the community talked about what a great man he was. So, are we saying that Mr. Amador thought his family would be better off dead? Because it seemed that they would have been better off withouthim.
In general, he said, most familicides are suicidal rampages, "but first the killer will take care of his loved ones."
If they are going to go on these rampages, they should reverse that order. Things would proceed much more smoothly.
If the person is religious, "He may feel he can reunite with loved ones in the hereafter, or wants to spare his loved ones the humiliation of his suicide."
Right. Maybe he should have asked God first.
4 dead in Fla. family slaying; teen son escapes
Divorce filing and arrest come before Dade City couple’s murder-suicide
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Labels: fathers murdering children, Florida, husband murders wife, murder-suicide, news, psychological testing, Veronica Scott, violent crime, Wendy Bellar
1 advocates for peace:
DenomShi May 4, 2009 5:07:00 PM
You have done a wonderful job with breaking out this article and all of your comments are spot on!
I can only hope that others will read this and actually begin to SEE what is going on right before our very eyes.
Thank you for this!
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